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On the Subject of Being Different
Cross posted at Engineering Education.

I was a student attending the prestigious Math Olympiad Summer Program (MOSP) during the summer of 1993 when it was announced that mathematician Andrew Wiles was believed to have solved the most famous unsolved theorem in all of mathematics. Unfortunately, for me, the post-proof hype turned to gloom. Wiles said something that I now regard as one of the most unfortunate and wrong statements ever made by a man at the top of the world of math and science. He said that the days of the non-professional, non-academic mathematician were over. He said, in so many words, that nothing particularly interesting and new would be discovered by anyone working outside an academic institution.



I remember being mocked by my peers for disagreeing. Of course, I must be completely loony to disagree with the greatest living mathematician! For the rest of the program, I kept to myself almost exclusively, and upon returning home, I stopped studying mathematics. Though I qualified as one of the 24 students to be invited for a third straight year, I declined the invitation to MOSP my junior year. The following year I wound up a fraction of a question, almost surely the result of a hole in my training, from earning a spot on the U.S. team to compete at the International Mathematical Olympiad. Had I made the team, I would have worked very hard not to embarrass myself at the event. I would have wanted a gold medal. It might have reignited my love for mathematics.

I have no regrets. I will do more for mathematics as an educator than I would have done for it as an academic. I am not a personality that belongs in a university setting.

And it's best that we live in a world in which a diversity of personalities make different decisions.


A Different Scientist

Recently I began conducting a series of interviews that I plan to begin posting soon. Unfortunately, none are yet finished, but recently I began one with a now famous physicist named Garrett Lisi, whom I met a few times in San Diego, including at his own going away party just before he and his girlfriend took their converted van-home to Maui. So far, we're only one question into the interview, but I'm excited because he already said something that I find very important for students to read. I won't give it away yet...

Lisi, whom I found friendly and inviting in person, is getting attention in the physics world for publishing a "Theory of Everything" (a step up even from "Grand Unified Theory"), which relies on a surprisingly simple (this is a relative term of course) mathematical structure to explain the universe (in direct competition with string theory). There is a recent article in the New Yorker about it. Take a look at this excerpt:
Lisi had long harbored a deep skepticism about string theory. As a graduate student in theoretical physics at U.C. San Diego in the nineties, he was briefed on a recent string-theory development called the Maldacena conjecture by a young member of the physics department. “It was very interesting mathematics,” Lisi said. “But I remember walking out of this office and wondering what it had to do with any physical reality. And, as far as I could tell, it didn’t.” The influence of string theorists was growing at the time, and Lisi felt the academy closing in on him. “If you share an office next to a guy for twenty years, and you like him and you’re friends with him, it’s hard to tell him that you think that his whole idea of how the universe works is completely wrong,” he said. String theory, Lisi had come to believe, was “a mess.”

The article goes on:
Lisi didn’t think that he would ever return to academic physics. “It’s publish or perish, and I figured I was perishing,” he said. He became accustomed to working in isolation, in air-conditioned public libraries, or in spare rooms at home, when he had a home. There were times when he lived in mansions near Colorado ski slopes, house-sitting. At other times, he pitched a tent in a friend’s back yard. He always figured, he told me, “that my brain wouldn’t let me starve.” But he was hardly thriving.

Lisi’s working life was not steady, or easy. “Ninety-five per cent of my time is virtually wasted,” he said. “If I were in a university, one of my colleagues would say, ‘No, that direction makes no sense—other people have looked into it, and it doesn’t go anywhere.’ Here no one stops me.” He spent weeks searching for a reliable place to work, and months on projects he later discarded. Sometimes he felt like a crazy person, walking down the pier in Santa Monica and muttering equations out loud.

I think part of the reason why I'm rooting for Lisi's theory is Lisi. This article tells a really important facet of Lisi's story -- that he's not a conventional physicist. This is important on so many levels. Science includes a lot of things, including boring day-to-day experiments, looking for the 309th application of a certain well-known phenomenon, and the slow decay of politics. But first and foremost, science moves forward because of ideas that break that mold. And Garrett Lisi, as a human being, breaks the mold.

Edit: I removed "[in]famous" in favor of "famous" because I think few people will understand that I'm mocking people who bashed Lisi's TOE before a complete review and giving Lisi (and others) a chance to work through the kinks.



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[info]odyssey_spirit
2008-07-28 04:15 am UTC (link)
Really cool subject. Thanks.

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[info]complexzeta
2008-07-28 05:50 am UTC (link)
I don't think Andrew Wiles meant that non-academics could not do research in mathematics at all. Certainly, that would be an absurd statement to make; non-academics and non-professionals publish math papers all the time, and some of them contain interesting ideas. But it is pretty hard to deny that the vast majority of modern mathematics is relatively inaccessible to the vast majority of the population (and even the population of people who are interested in mathematics but are not professionals). In past centuries, there have been people who were really on the cutting edge of mathematics but were definitely non-professionals (Fermat springs to mind immediately, for example).

I agree that you'll probably do more for mathematics as an educator than you would as an academic, and I don't think that many people would claim that mathematics educators are unimportant. But it's a bit silly to mix up teaching people who will prove big theorems with proving them yourself. Yes, you deserve credit for being a good educator, but it will probably be the academics, possibly your students, who really sweat through the difficult mathematics in the end.

Also, you claim that science moves forward because of ideas that break the mold. It's hard to argue with that. But there's no reason that ideas that break the mold should come from people who break the mold. Sometimes they do, and they're probably blown way out of proportion by the rest of the world, since it's much more fun to read about the crazy guy who shunned societal pressures and just did whatever he wanted than the academic who came up with a brilliant idea while sitting in his comfortable office chair. But can you really deny that the latter is the case more often the former?

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[info]infopractical
2008-07-28 06:31 am UTC (link)
I don't think Andrew Wiles meant that non-academics could not do research in mathematics at all. Certainly, that would be an absurd statement to make

His comments were about famous problems in particular -- the kind that typically involve engineering entirely new math tools in order to solve, or that require fundamental paradigm shifts. I think his comments were pretty plain, and are pretty famous at this point, though I wouldn't know where to find them in order to quote him.


But it is pretty hard to deny that the vast majority of modern mathematics is relatively inaccessible to the vast majority of the population

Of course. I'm not sure what this has to do with my article.


I don't think that many people would claim that mathematics educators are unimportant.

Here I strongly disagree, but that's another story for another post. I'm not really concerned about it right now.


Yes, you deserve credit for being a good educator, but it will probably be the academics, possibly your students, who really sweat through the difficult mathematics in the end.

True. I'm not complaining about my place in the world at all. I do however wish that I'd had the chance to be a mathematician, but as much abuse as I went through in my home life, the odds were severely stacked against me. It's not having the chance that bothers me, if anything, though that's not what I'm writing about in this article at all.



Also, you claim that science moves forward because of ideas that break the mold. It's hard to argue with that. But there's no reason that ideas that break the mold should come from people who break the mold. Sometimes they do, and they're probably blown way out of proportion by the rest of the world, since it's much more fun to read about the crazy guy who shunned societal pressures and just did whatever he wanted than the academic who came up with a brilliant idea while sitting in his comfortable office chair. But can you really deny that the latter is the case more often the former?


I make no such claim that paradigm shifts must come from people who break the mold. This is clearly false, so why would you interpret my thoughts this way?

However, I do firmly believe that if people took their own paths more often than they did the more cookie-cutter institutional paths, that...there would be more breakthroughs.

In other words...you're asking the wrong question. Of course the people in mathematicians' chairs publish more mathematics. And people who where bakers hats bake more cakes.

But what if more scientists and mathematicians eschewed academic politics and the lifestyle of hungrily seeking and gobbling grants? What if more scientists and mathematicians simply found a way to live life while...pursuing their own thoughts and ideas? Those are the right questions. Those are the questions that strike at a possible connection between lifestyle choices and success.

It's also right to ask what were the greats doing in their lives? So many of the greats were doing their own thing, in their own way, without regard for institutional norms...that it seems reasonable to suggest that there is something about...thinking for one's own self...that makes a person more capable of...thoughts that haven't been thought yet. Paradigm shifts.

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[info]csn
2008-07-29 03:21 am UTC (link)
But what if more scientists and mathematicians eschewed academic politics and the lifestyle of hungrily seeking and gobbling grants? What if more scientists and mathematicians simply found a way to live life while...pursuing their own thoughts and ideas? Those are the right questions. Those are the questions that strike at a possible connection between lifestyle choices and success.

Word.

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[info]argucide
2008-07-28 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I remember listening to Brian Greene give a lecture on string theory a few years ago during his promotion for The Elegant Universe series. When it was over, I left the auditorium with a large group of professors and classmates. We all shared a good laugh, shook our heads, and reassured one another this was another wild idea that would burn out as soon as the philosophy department lost interest in an 11-dimension universe.

Somehow, I now find myself in the minority. It seems like the academic world has latched on to string theory with incredible tenacy despite its complete lack of experimental or observational verification (which I will always brand an unequivocal heresy, regardless of how popular an idea may be.) It seems that as the theory increases in "elegance," it drifts further from any sort of relation to physical reality.

My limited study of E8 is such that I can't say for certain I accept it. However, right or wrong, I have to commend Lisi's effort. At the very least, he's exploring avenues that - to me, anyway - are much deeper in the realm of practicality than M-theory or any of its siblings. I find that immensely refreshing.

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[info]infopractical
2008-07-29 04:32 am UTC (link)
When I moved to New York in 1998, I remember a strange wave of conversations I had with old friends and new acquaintances about string theory. I didn't know anything about it besides the basics (I went up through about five college level physics courses). What I recall was a kind of buzz-like excitement. Honestly, I was excited for the people who told me about it -- people I knew wanted to participate in this exciting achievement of physics.

Oddly, the next ten years of my life involves almost no physics, despite the fact that it's a subject I am interested in (and considered majoring in). So, when I start reading about Lisi's work and the growing doubts many have about whether or not string theory will lead anywhere, I feel the effect of being frozen in time.

From new and exciting...to not panning out [possibly yet] after over a decade.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this thought except that I feel like an observer from an interesting if passive vantage-point. It's like seeing the next slide in the historical slide-show, but not waiting a patient and excruciatingly patient decade to see it.

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[info]csn
2008-07-29 03:30 am UTC (link)
somewhat related to this and something I have been thinking about this, in a duel interview between two great filmmakers, the Iranian filmmaker, Mohsen Makhmalbaf, said, "In the West, the system is complex, but the human beings are simple. They have all acquired specialized skills to perform simple functions, like parts of a complex machine...But in the East, the system is simple and the individuals are complex..in the West, a man may spend a lifetime on the study of a certain ant..we have a taste of every kind of life before you die, but you live one kind of life to perfection."

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[info]freelikebeer
2008-07-29 01:57 pm UTC (link)
That's a great quote.

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[info]freelikebeer
2008-07-29 02:08 pm UTC (link)
I have no regret about not being a university employee. I am a much more prolific reader, and probably a much more prolific thinker than I would be if I was full-timing it, trying to find answers to problems to keep the grant money flowing.

I will never be able to perform the herculean labor that Andrew Wiles did, but iirc, his proof was a significant achievement because of its depth and breadth, and not so much for its spectacular insight. The opportunity cost of doing something like that is too high, given the other things that I would like to do in my life.

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[info]spoonless
2008-08-19 04:59 am UTC (link)
Just noticed this post--considering it revolves around theoretical physics I should probably comment.

First, I don't see Garrett as a counter-example of what Wiles is saying. At least how I'd interpret it. Garrett has the same education and qualifications as any physicist working in the field. It's not like he's a high school dropout who cooked up a theory of everything in his basement after smoking a few joints, and submitted it to a physics journal... he was trained as an academic. So he is only a "non-academic" in the sense that he does not currently have an academic job. At this point, he could easily accept an academic position (at Perimeter Institute for instance, where several people have welcomed him) if he wanted too. He just prefers to work on his own. This is made possible by the FQXI Institute, which pays him money out of donations from religious people--something I think he has a few qualms about, but still accepts the money.

Second, you're counting your chickens before they hatch. He got a paper published, but that doesn't mean he has contributed something important or interesting to the field (where by important I mean--something people will still remember years from now... or something that gets a lot of citations). Many people in the field laughed at it, a few people thought it might possibly lead to something interesting, and the majority of people ignored it. So only time will tell whether it amounts to anything important... personally I think it's very unlikely it will (mostly because of my pre-existing belief in string theory), but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

My main comment here would be that you should separate out two different things that Wiles could have been saying. The one I would strongly agree with in physics (and I'd imagine correct in mathematics, although I don't know the field well enough to be sure)... is that nobody who doesn't have a PhD in physics (or math) can contribute anything to the advancement of the field. Even if the person learns the same thing out of books on their own, they're going to be at a serious disadvantage from someone who got to work closely with an advisor and "learn the ropes" firsthand. I don't know of any examples where a significant discovery has been made in physics within the past 50 years by someone who never went to grad school... but if there are examples, they're probably extremely rare. And it looks like things are headed even further in that direction, the more abstract and complicated the field gets.

The other thing he might have meant, however, I'd disagree with. And perhaps this is how you took it. If he's saying that we will always have to have government funded research, rather than independently funded research (through private organizations such as FQXI) then I'd disagree. I'm optimistic that even if we seem locked into a public university system, that we can eventually convince more people to take an interest in math and science, and start funding things from donations.

A third thing he might have meant is that nobody without funding is going to get anything done... which is probably true also, unless they happen to be independently wealthy.

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[info]spoonless
2008-08-19 05:07 am UTC (link)

is that nobody who doesn't have a PhD in physics (or math) can contribute anything to the advancement of the field.

actually, I should say "who hasn't been in grad school for at least a year or two" to be more fair.

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[info]infopractical
2008-08-19 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for your comments. In regards to the way you broke down the facets of what Wiles might have been saying -- I agree up to a point. Times may change quickly.

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